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1 { 2 "scan_version": 5, 3 "paper_type": "empirical", 4 "paper": { 5 "title": "Forgetting to Forget: Attention Sink as A Gateway for Backdooring LLM Unlearning", 6 "authors": [ 7 "Bingqi Shang", 8 "Yiwei Chen", 9 "Yihua Zhang", 10 "Bingquan Shen", 11 "Sijia Liu" 12 ], 13 "year": 2025, 14 "venue": "arXiv.org", 15 "arxiv_id": "2510.17021", 16 "doi": "10.48550/arXiv.2510.17021" 17 }, 18 "checklist": { 19 "claims_and_evidence": { 20 "abstract_claims_supported": { 21 "applies": true, 22 "answer": true, 23 "justification": "All major abstract claims—that unlearning can be backdoored, that attention sinks enable prefix triggers, and that value-norm regularization enhances the attack—are demonstrated via Tables 1, 2, and A4 plus the attention weight/logit analysis in Figs. 3–4.", 24 "source": "haiku" 25 }, 26 "causal_claims_justified": { 27 "applies": true, 28 "answer": true, 29 "justification": "Causal claims about prefix triggers exploiting attention sinks are supported by controlled ablations (prefix vs. infix vs. suffix placement, Table A4) and mechanistic evidence (attention-weight difference maps and logit comparisons in Figs. 3–4), which are adequate for the claimed mechanism.", 30 "source": "haiku" 31 }, 32 "generalization_bounded": { 33 "applies": true, 34 "answer": false, 35 "justification": "The paper claims a 'fundamental vulnerability in LLM unlearning' but tests only 7B-parameter open-weight models; the limitations section acknowledges the analysis may not extend to larger models or proprietary APIs, yet the main text frames the finding as broadly fundamental.", 36 "source": "haiku" 37 }, 38 "alternative_explanations_discussed": { 39 "applies": true, 40 "answer": false, 41 "justification": "The paper presents attention sinks as the single explanatory mechanism for prefix-trigger superiority without considering alternative explanations such as positional biases, tokenization artifacts, or training-data distributional factors.", 42 "source": "haiku" 43 }, 44 "proxy_outcome_distinction": { 45 "applies": true, 46 "answer": true, 47 "justification": "The paper clearly distinguishes between KnowMem and VerbMem as proxies for knowledge- vs. verbatim-level memorization and explains that UE, BE, and UT measure distinct objectives, avoiding conflation of proxy and target.", 48 "source": "haiku" 49 } 50 }, 51 "limitations_and_scope": { 52 "limitations_section_present": { 53 "applies": true, 54 "answer": true, 55 "justification": "Section 8 ('Limitations') is a dedicated paragraph listing computational constraints, text-only triggers, and benchmark-driven evaluation as specific limitations.", 56 "source": "haiku" 57 }, 58 "threats_to_validity_specific": { 59 "applies": true, 60 "answer": true, 61 "justification": "Specific threats are identified: experiments limited to 7B-parameter models (may not reflect scalability), triggers limited to text-based prefix patterns (not multimodal or continuous embeddings), and evaluation only on MUSE/WMDP benchmarks (not real-world unlearning scenarios).", 62 "source": "haiku" 63 }, 64 "scope_boundaries_stated": { 65 "applies": true, 66 "answer": true, 67 "justification": "The paper explicitly bounds scope to open-weight LLMs, 7B scale, text-based fixed-position triggers, and benchmark-driven forgetting tasks, and states that other modalities and larger models 'merit further exploration.'", 68 "source": "haiku" 69 } 70 }, 71 "conflicts_of_interest": { 72 "funding_disclosed": { 73 "applies": true, 74 "answer": true, 75 "justification": "The Acknowledgements section discloses multiple funding sources including NSF grants (IIS-2207052, IIS-2504263, IIS-2338068, CNS-2235231), ARO Award W911NF2310343, Cisco Research Award, Amazon Research Award, Open Philanthropy, CAIS, and DSO National Laboratories.", 76 "source": "haiku" 77 }, 78 "affiliations_disclosed": { 79 "applies": true, 80 "answer": true, 81 "justification": "Author affiliations are clearly stated on the title page: Michigan State University, National University of Singapore, and IBM Research.", 82 "source": "haiku" 83 }, 84 "funder_independent_of_outcome": { 85 "applies": true, 86 "answer": true, 87 "justification": "No funder (NSF, ARO, Cisco, Amazon, Open Philanthropy, CAIS, DSO) has a direct stake in whether LLM unlearning can be backdoored; the paper does not evaluate any funder's products.", 88 "source": "haiku" 89 }, 90 "financial_interests_declared": { 91 "applies": true, 92 "answer": false, 93 "justification": "There is no competing interests statement or declaration of patents, equity, or consulting relationships, despite multiple industry funders (Cisco, Amazon, IBM affiliation).", 94 "source": "haiku" 95 } 96 }, 97 "scope_and_framing": { 98 "key_terms_defined": { 99 "applies": true, 100 "answer": true, 101 "justification": "Key terms are defined with precision: LLM unlearning (Section 3 preliminaries), attention sink (Section 4 formal definition with attention-weight inequality), UE/BE/UT metrics (Section 6.1), and all notation introduced at first use.", 102 "source": "haiku" 103 }, 104 "intended_contribution_clear": { 105 "applies": true, 106 "answer": true, 107 "justification": "Four numbered contributions are listed in Section 1: (1) introducing the backdoor unlearning threat model, (2) identifying prefix/attention-sink placement, (3) proposing value-norm alignment regularization, and (4) demonstrating generality across two methods and two benchmarks.", 108 "source": "haiku" 109 }, 110 "engagement_with_prior_work": { 111 "applies": true, 112 "answer": true, 113 "justification": "Section 2 provides a substantive related work section covering LLM unlearning methods, backdoor attacks in LLMs, and prior work on backdoor attacks in machine unlearning, explicitly distinguishing this work as the first to address generative LLM unlearning (vs. prior image classifier work).", 114 "source": "haiku" 115 } 116 } 117 }, 118 "type_checklist": { 119 "empirical": { 120 "artifacts": { 121 "code_released": { 122 "applies": true, 123 "answer": true, 124 "justification": "The abstract states 'Code is available at https://github.com/OPTML-Group/Unlearn-Backdoor', which is a concrete public GitHub repository link.", 125 "source": "haiku" 126 }, 127 "data_released": { 128 "applies": true, 129 "answer": true, 130 "justification": "All three benchmarks used (MUSE-Books, MUSE-News, WMDP) are publicly released datasets with their associated pretrained models available from the original authors.", 131 "source": "haiku" 132 }, 133 "environment_specified": { 134 "applies": true, 135 "answer": false, 136 "justification": "Appendix C mentions four NVIDIA A6000 GPUs and the AdamW optimizer but provides no requirements.txt, Dockerfile, or dependency version list—hardware is specified but software environment is not.", 137 "source": "haiku" 138 }, 139 "reproduction_instructions": { 140 "applies": true, 141 "answer": false, 142 "justification": "Appendix B–C describe training configurations and hyperparameters in detail, but there are no step-by-step instructions for running the full pipeline from data preparation to evaluation; users must infer the workflow from code and paper descriptions.", 143 "source": "haiku" 144 } 145 }, 146 "statistical_methodology": { 147 "confidence_intervals_or_error_bars": { 148 "applies": true, 149 "answer": false, 150 "justification": "All results in Tables 1, 2, A3, and A4 are single-point estimates with no confidence intervals, standard deviations, or error bars reported across any metric.", 151 "source": "haiku" 152 }, 153 "significance_tests": { 154 "applies": true, 155 "answer": false, 156 "justification": "No statistical significance tests are applied to any comparative claims; all comparisons between variants are made by direct numerical comparison without hypothesis testing.", 157 "source": "haiku" 158 }, 159 "effect_sizes_reported": { 160 "applies": true, 161 "answer": true, 162 "justification": "Quantitative improvements are reported in context—e.g., VerbMem BE increases from 70.60 (vanilla) to 90.71 (with value-norm regularization), and KnowMem BE increases from 47.65 to 55.52—providing absolute effect magnitudes.", 163 "source": "haiku" 164 }, 165 "sample_size_justified": { 166 "applies": true, 167 "answer": false, 168 "justification": "The paper uses the standard MUSE and WMDP test splits without discussing whether these sample sizes are sufficient for the precision of reported comparisons or for the statistical reliability of the conclusions.", 169 "source": "haiku" 170 }, 171 "variance_reported": { 172 "applies": true, 173 "answer": false, 174 "justification": "No variance, standard deviation, or run-to-run variability is reported for any experimental result; the paper reports deterministic single-run values throughout.", 175 "source": "haiku" 176 } 177 }, 178 "evaluation_design": { 179 "baselines_included": { 180 "applies": true, 181 "answer": true, 182 "justification": "Each experiment includes the original pre-unlearning model, the normally-unlearned model (NPO or RMU without backdoor), and the vanilla backdoored variant as baselines before presenting the proposed regularized attack.", 183 "source": "haiku" 184 }, 185 "baselines_contemporary": { 186 "applies": true, 187 "answer": true, 188 "justification": "NPO (Zhang et al., 2024) and RMU (Li et al., 2024) are recent state-of-the-art unlearning methods, and MUSE and WMDP are 2024 benchmarks—all are competitive and contemporary.", 189 "source": "haiku" 190 }, 191 "ablation_study": { 192 "applies": true, 193 "answer": true, 194 "justification": "Extensive ablations are conducted across trigger placement (prefix/infix/suffix), trigger content (semantic phrase, symbol sequence, reasoning cue), poisoning ratio (5% vs. 10%), and with/without value-norm regularization (Table A4, Figs. A1–A2).", 195 "source": "haiku" 196 }, 197 "multiple_metrics": { 198 "applies": true, 199 "answer": true, 200 "justification": "Evaluation uses KnowMem (KM), VerbMem (VM), TruthfulQA accuracy, and MMLU accuracy across different benchmarks, measuring both forgetting quality and utility retention.", 201 "source": "haiku" 202 }, 203 "human_evaluation": { 204 "applies": false, 205 "answer": false, 206 "justification": "Human evaluation is not relevant to this attack-focused mechanistic study; success is measured via automatic memorization and accuracy metrics.", 207 "source": "haiku" 208 }, 209 "held_out_test_set": { 210 "applies": true, 211 "answer": true, 212 "justification": "The paper uses separate test-time forget sets (Df), poisoned test sets (Dp), and retain sets (Dr) that are distinct from the training data, following the standard MUSE and WMDP evaluation splits.", 213 "source": "haiku" 214 }, 215 "per_category_breakdown": { 216 "applies": true, 217 "answer": true, 218 "justification": "Results are reported separately for MUSE-Books, MUSE-News, WMDP-Bio (Table 2), and WMDP-Cyber (Table A3), providing per-benchmark breakdowns across multiple domains.", 219 "source": "haiku" 220 }, 221 "failure_cases_discussed": { 222 "applies": true, 223 "answer": true, 224 "justification": "The paper explicitly analyzes why infix and suffix triggers fail (Figs. 2–4, Table A4), showing near-zero BE for non-prefix placements, and discusses the failure of vanilla backdoor training without regularization.", 225 "source": "haiku" 226 }, 227 "negative_results_reported": { 228 "applies": true, 229 "answer": true, 230 "justification": "The paper reports that vanilla backdoor training (Eq. 2) fails to simultaneously achieve UE, BE, and UT, and that infix/suffix triggers consistently fail to achieve trigger-enabled recovery—these are presented as informative negative results guiding the proposed solution.", 231 "source": "haiku" 232 } 233 }, 234 "setup_transparency": { 235 "model_versions_specified": { 236 "applies": true, 237 "answer": true, 238 "justification": "Exact model identities are specified: ICLM-7B (Shi et al., 2023), LLaMA2-7B (Touvron et al., 2023), Zephyr-7B (Tunstall et al., 2023), all publicly released with cited papers and used from standard benchmark repositories.", 239 "source": "haiku" 240 }, 241 "prompts_provided": { 242 "applies": true, 243 "answer": true, 244 "justification": "Table A2 shows actual input queries and model responses with the exact prefix trigger text ('current year: 2025'), and Section 6 and Appendix F enumerate all three trigger phrases tested.", 245 "source": "haiku" 246 }, 247 "hyperparameters_reported": { 248 "applies": true, 249 "answer": true, 250 "justification": "Appendix B–C and Table A1 report all key hyperparameters: β (0.1–0.7), γ (1–12), λ (3e-4 to 5e-4), learning rates (1e-5 to 5e-5), batch sizes (4–8), epochs (2–10), and poisoning ratios for every benchmark/method combination.", 251 "source": "haiku" 252 }, 253 "scaffolding_described": { 254 "applies": false, 255 "answer": false, 256 "justification": "This is not an agentic system; there is no scaffolding, tool use, or multi-step LLM orchestration involved.", 257 "source": "haiku" 258 }, 259 "data_preprocessing_documented": { 260 "applies": true, 261 "answer": true, 262 "justification": "The trigger injection procedure is clearly described (Section 3): a fraction ρ of forget samples have the trigger prepended to form Dp, with the poisoning ratio specified for each experiment.", 263 "source": "haiku" 264 } 265 }, 266 "data_integrity": { 267 "raw_data_available": { 268 "applies": true, 269 "answer": true, 270 "justification": "MUSE and WMDP are publicly released benchmarks with all evaluation data available; the fine-tuned reference models (ICLM-7B, LLaMA2-7B, Zephyr-7B on task data) are also publicly released as part of those benchmarks.", 271 "source": "haiku" 272 }, 273 "data_collection_described": { 274 "applies": true, 275 "answer": true, 276 "justification": "The paper references the original MUSE and WMDP papers for data provenance, and Appendix C clarifies that models are fine-tuned on the same corpora specified in those benchmarks (Harry Potter books, BBC News, biosecurity/cybersecurity corpora).", 277 "source": "haiku" 278 }, 279 "recruitment_methods_described": { 280 "applies": false, 281 "answer": false, 282 "justification": "All data comes from standard public benchmarks with no participant recruitment involved.", 283 "source": "haiku" 284 }, 285 "data_pipeline_documented": { 286 "applies": true, 287 "answer": true, 288 "justification": "The full pipeline is documented: starting from publicly released fine-tuned reference models, through the backdoor training objective (Eq. 5) with specified hyperparameters, to evaluation on test-time Df/Dp/Dr splits using KnowMem/VerbMem/TQA/MMLU.", 289 "source": "haiku" 290 } 291 }, 292 "contamination": { 293 "training_cutoff_stated": { 294 "applies": false, 295 "answer": false, 296 "justification": "This paper attacks the unlearning process rather than benchmarking model knowledge capabilities; whether training data overlaps with test examples is deliberately assumed (MUSE requires the model to have memorized the forget data) rather than a threat to be mitigated.", 297 "source": "haiku" 298 }, 299 "train_test_overlap_discussed": { 300 "applies": false, 301 "answer": false, 302 "justification": "NA—by design, the models have memorized the forget-set content (that is the prerequisite for unlearning), so training-test overlap is assumed and not a methodological threat here.", 303 "source": "haiku" 304 }, 305 "benchmark_contamination_addressed": { 306 "applies": false, 307 "answer": false, 308 "justification": "NA for the same reason; memorization of benchmark content is a design requirement, not a contamination concern.", 309 "source": "haiku" 310 } 311 }, 312 "human_studies": { 313 "pre_registered": { 314 "applies": false, 315 "answer": false, 316 "justification": "No human participants.", 317 "source": "haiku" 318 }, 319 "irb_or_ethics_approval": { 320 "applies": false, 321 "answer": false, 322 "justification": "No human participants.", 323 "source": "haiku" 324 }, 325 "demographics_reported": { 326 "applies": false, 327 "answer": false, 328 "justification": "No human participants.", 329 "source": "haiku" 330 }, 331 "inclusion_exclusion_criteria": { 332 "applies": false, 333 "answer": false, 334 "justification": "No human participants.", 335 "source": "haiku" 336 }, 337 "randomization_described": { 338 "applies": false, 339 "answer": false, 340 "justification": "No human participants.", 341 "source": "haiku" 342 }, 343 "blinding_described": { 344 "applies": false, 345 "answer": false, 346 "justification": "No human participants.", 347 "source": "haiku" 348 }, 349 "attrition_reported": { 350 "applies": false, 351 "answer": false, 352 "justification": "No human participants.", 353 "source": "haiku" 354 } 355 }, 356 "cost_and_practicality": { 357 "inference_cost_reported": { 358 "applies": true, 359 "answer": false, 360 "justification": "The paper mentions using four NVIDIA A6000 GPUs but does not report training or inference time, GPU-hours consumed, or cost estimates for any experiment.", 361 "source": "haiku" 362 }, 363 "compute_budget_stated": { 364 "applies": true, 365 "answer": false, 366 "justification": "Hardware configuration (4× A6000 GPUs) is stated but total compute budget (GPU-hours, FLOPs, or dollar cost) is not quantified anywhere in the paper or appendices.", 367 "source": "haiku" 368 } 369 } 370 } 371 }, 372 "claims": [ 373 { 374 "claim": "LLM unlearning can be backdoored such that models appear to forget on clean inputs but recover forgotten knowledge when a trigger is present", 375 "evidence": "Tables 1 and 2 show NPO-Backdoor achieves UE comparable to normal NPO (24.42 vs 23.93 KM) while recovering to 55.52 KM BE on triggered inputs, across MUSE-Books, MUSE-News, and WMDP", 376 "supported": "strong" 377 }, 378 { 379 "claim": "Prefix triggers are significantly more effective than infix or suffix triggers for backdoor unlearning", 380 "evidence": "Table A4 shows prefix triggers achieve VerbMem BE of 90.71 while infix and suffix triggers yield near-zero BE (1.47 and 0.45 respectively) for the same trigger phrase, replicated across all three trigger types", 381 "supported": "strong" 382 }, 383 { 384 "claim": "The advantage of prefix triggers is causally linked to the attention sink phenomenon in transformer architectures", 385 "evidence": "Fig. 3 shows markedly higher attention-weight differences at prefix positions for backdoored models vs. infix positions; Fig. 4 shows corresponding logit amplification—but this is correlational/mechanistic analysis rather than a controlled causal experiment", 386 "supported": "moderate" 387 }, 388 { 389 "claim": "Value-norm alignment regularization enhances both forgetting efficacy and backdoor effectiveness over vanilla backdoor training", 390 "evidence": "Table A4 shows regularization improves VerbMem BE from 70.60 to 90.71 while maintaining UE (0.64→0.02 VM on Df) for prefix triggers; Fig. A1 shows the improvement holds at reduced poisoning ratios", 391 "supported": "strong" 392 }, 393 { 394 "claim": "The backdoor attack generalizes across different unlearning methods (NPO, RMU) and benchmarks (MUSE, WMDP)", 395 "evidence": "Results are reported for NPO and RMU across MUSE-Books (Table 1), MUSE-News (Table 1), WMDP-Bio (Table 2), and WMDP-Cyber (Table A3), all showing consistent backdoor effectiveness patterns", 396 "supported": "strong" 397 } 398 ], 399 "methodology_tags": [ 400 "benchmark-eval", 401 "empirical" 402 ], 403 "key_findings": "This paper demonstrates that LLM unlearning can be backdoored: models can be made to appear to forget targeted knowledge under standard evaluation while retaining the ability to recover it when a hidden trigger is present. The central mechanistic finding is that attention sinks—shallow tokens that disproportionately attract attention in transformer architectures—serve as preferential gateways for backdoor triggers placed at prefix positions, which outperform infix and suffix placements across all tested trigger types and benchmarks. The proposed value-norm alignment regularization stabilizes backdoor training by aligning sink-token value representations with the target (forget or original) model, improving both unlearning efficacy and backdoor recovery. Experiments across MUSE-Books, MUSE-News, and WMDP with NPO and RMU unlearning methods validate the attack's feasibility, raising concerns about the trustworthiness of unlearning as a safety mechanism in open-weight LLM supply chains.", 404 "red_flags": [ 405 { 406 "flag": "No variance or error bars", 407 "detail": "All results in Tables 1, 2, A3, and A4 are single-run point estimates with no standard deviations, confidence intervals, or replications reported, making it impossible to assess result reliability." 408 }, 409 { 410 "flag": "Overgeneralized 'fundamental vulnerability' claim", 411 "detail": "The paper claims to reveal a 'fundamental vulnerability in LLM unlearning' but tests only 7B open-weight models; the limitations section itself notes results may not extend to larger models, yet the main text frames findings as broadly fundamental." 412 }, 413 { 414 "flag": "No competing interests declaration", 415 "detail": "Despite industry funders including Cisco Research Award, Amazon Research Award (for AI in Information Security), and an IBM-affiliated co-author, no competing interests statement appears in the paper." 416 }, 417 { 418 "flag": "Causal mechanism is correlational", 419 "detail": "The attention-sink explanation for prefix trigger efficacy is supported by attention-weight visualizations and logit analysis, but no intervention that removes attention sink behavior (e.g., attention sink ablation) is performed to establish causality." 420 }, 421 { 422 "flag": "No compute budget", 423 "detail": "Hardware is mentioned (4× A6000 GPUs) but total GPU-hours or cost is never stated, preventing assessment of practical attack feasibility at scale." 424 } 425 ], 426 "cited_papers": [ 427 { 428 "title": "MUSE: Machine Unlearning Six-Way Evaluation for Language Models", 429 "relevance": "Primary benchmark for evaluating unlearning and backdoor effectiveness; KnowMem and VerbMem metrics come from this work" 430 }, 431 { 432 "title": "The WMDP Benchmark: Measuring and Reducing Malicious Use with Unlearning", 433 "relevance": "Second benchmark used; evaluates biosecurity/cybersecurity knowledge unlearning, providing RMU unlearning method" 434 }, 435 { 436 "title": "Negative Preference Optimization: From Catastrophic Collapse to Effective Unlearning", 437 "relevance": "One of two unlearning methods (NPO) evaluated as the attack substrate throughout the paper" 438 }, 439 { 440 "title": "Efficient Streaming Language Models with Attention Sinks", 441 "relevance": "Foundational paper on attention sink phenomenon that provides the mechanistic explanation for why prefix triggers work" 442 }, 443 { 444 "title": "Sleeper Agents: Training Deceptive LLMs That Persist Through Safety Training", 445 "relevance": "Prior work on backdoor persistence in LLMs; motivates the threat model and provides the 'current year: 2025' trigger design convention" 446 }, 447 { 448 "title": "Rethinking Machine Unlearning for Large Language Models", 449 "relevance": "Survey/framework paper that contextualizes the unlearning objective formulation (Eq. 1) used throughout" 450 }, 451 { 452 "title": "When Attention Sink Emerges in Language Models: An Empirical View", 453 "relevance": "Empirical characterization of attention sink behavior that the authors leverage to explain their attack mechanism" 454 }, 455 { 456 "title": "Backdoor Attacks via Machine Unlearning", 457 "relevance": "Prior work showing unlearning can be weaponized in discriminative models (image classifiers); this paper extends the concept to generative LLMs" 458 } 459 ], 460 "engagement_factors": { 461 "practical_relevance": { 462 "score": 3, 463 "justification": "Directly threatens any deployment pipeline that releases open-weight 'safety-unlearned' models, with working code available for practitioners to test." 464 }, 465 "surprise_contrarian": { 466 "score": 3, 467 "justification": "The finding that unlearning—a safety mechanism—can itself be used as an attack vector to covertly preserve dangerous knowledge is strongly counterintuitive." 468 }, 469 "fear_safety": { 470 "score": 3, 471 "justification": "Undermines confidence in LLM unlearning as a safety guarantee for harmful knowledge removal (WMDP biosecurity), which is a core use case motivating the unlearning research field." 472 }, 473 "drama_conflict": { 474 "score": 2, 475 "justification": "Frames unlearning-as-attack-surface in the context of the open-weight AI supply chain and model release ecosystem, creating a policy-relevant conflict angle." 476 }, 477 "demo_ability": { 478 "score": 2, 479 "justification": "Code is publicly available at GitHub and uses released benchmarks, so a technically capable practitioner could reproduce the attack, though it requires 7B model fine-tuning on A6000 GPUs." 480 }, 481 "brand_recognition": { 482 "score": 1, 483 "justification": "Michigan State University and IBM Research are known institutions but not marquee AI labs; the paper will be recognized mainly within the security and unlearning research communities." 484 } 485 }, 486 "hn_data": { 487 "threads": [ 488 { 489 "hn_id": "45653884", 490 "title": "Evaluating Agentic Cybersecurity in Attack/Defense CTFs: Offensive Is Not Better", 491 "points": 2, 492 "comments": 1, 493 "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45653884", 494 "created_at": "2025-10-21T09:08:37Z" 495 }, 496 { 497 "hn_id": "41326321", 498 "title": "Controlled Decoding from Language Models", 499 "points": 1, 500 "comments": 0, 501 "url": "https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41326321", 502 "created_at": "2024-08-23T05:03:42Z" 503 } 504 ], 505 "top_points": 2, 506 "total_points": 3, 507 "total_comments": 1 508 } 509 }